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kamoil
03-12-2008, 01:47 PM
A friend who is not LDS sent this to me....interesting to say the least.

Knowledge is power...in the event of some natural or man-made calamity...this list can be helpful...if you have any friends in the LDS Church (Mormon), they can give you a lot of insight as to what their Church teaches them regarding preparedness for a disaster...a one year supply of food storage is the main idea...if there is a major disaster, it could be weeks or months before order is restored...for my LDS friends-there are a few items that do not appear on any list I have seen from the Church)...

100 Items to Disappear First
1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy...target of thieves; maintenance etc.)
2. Water Filters/Purifiers
3. Portable Toilets
4. Seasoned Firewood. Wood takes about 6 - 12 months to become dried, for home uses.
5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!)
6. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much.
7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots.
8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks.
9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar
10. Rice - Beans - Wheat
11. Vegetable Oil (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled etc.,)
12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid (Will become scarce suddenly)
13. Water Containers (Urgent Item to obtain.) Any size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY - note - food grade if for drinking.
16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.
17. Survival Guide Book.
18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.)
19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc.
20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)
22. Vitamins
23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item)
24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products.
25. Thermal underwear (Tops & Bottoms)
26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil)
27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Cooking and Barter Item)
28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)
29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many).
30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels
31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake Liquid every 3 to 4 months)
32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid) (A MUST)
33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)
34. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit
35. Tuna Fish (in oil)
36. Fire Extinguishers (or..large box of Baking Soda in every room)
37. First aid kits
38. Batteries (all sizes...buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)
39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food)
41. Flour, yeast & salt
42. Matches. {"Strike Anywhere" preferred.) Boxed, wooden matches will go first
43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators
44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime.)
45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts
46. Flashlights/LIGHTSTICKS & torches, "No. 76 Dietz" Lanterns
47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (jot down ideas, feelings, experience; Historic Times)
48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water, transporting - if with wheels)
49. Men's Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, etc
50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)
51. Fishing supplies/tools
52. Mosquito coils/repellent, sprays/creams
53. Duct Tape
54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes
55. Candles
56. Laundry Detergent (liquid)
57. Backpacks, Duffel Bags
58. Garden tools & supplies
59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies
60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.
61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)
62. Canning supplies, (Jars/lids/wax)
63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel
64. Bicycles...Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc
65. Sleeping Bags & blankets/pillows/mats
66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)
67. Board Games, Cards, Dice
68. d-con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer
69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets
70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks)
71. Baby wipes, oils, waterless & Antibacterial soap (saves a lot of water)
72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.
73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)
74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)
75. Soysauce, vinegar, bullions/gravy/soupbase
76. Reading glasses
77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)
78. "Survival-in-a-Can"
79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens
80. Boy Scout Handbook, / also Leaders Catalog
81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO)
82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky
83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts
84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)
85. Lumber (all types)
86. Wagons & carts (for transport to and from)
87. Cots & Inflatable mattress's
88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.
89. Lantern Hangers
90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws,, nuts & bolts
91. Teas
92. Coffee
93. Cigarettes
94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc,)
95. Paraffin wax
96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.
97. Chewing gum/candies
98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)
99. Hats & cotton neckerchiefs
100. Goats/chickens

thor610
03-12-2008, 02:13 PM
I kid you not. Immediately after 9-11 I went to buy safety pins at the store. NO ONE had them. Apparently people were buying them up to make beaded flag pins.

signseeker
09-24-2008, 10:06 AM
This is a great list... I hadn't thought of many of those things.

Why tuna in oil instead of water?

waif69
09-24-2008, 04:34 PM
Why tuna in oil instead of water?

I would suspect that the oil provides extra calories if required or the oil could be burned.

thermocouple
09-25-2008, 08:00 AM
Get the tuna that you will actually use. While the tuna in oil will have more calories (better for emergency situations) it does no good to store a bunch of it if you arent going to use it in your normal diet, in order to keep your stores rotated. Better to have unspoiled tuna in water when you need it than spoiled tuna in oil.

signseeker
09-25-2008, 10:03 AM
Does one store better/longer than the other? I usually buy it in water, but just cuz it's cheaper. I grew up with my dad ONLY buying tuna in oil... we'd pour the oil on our Malamute's dinner.:l0 (2):

waif69
09-25-2008, 12:03 PM
According to Starkist (http://www.starkist.com/template.asp?section=faqs.html), all their unopened products have a 3 year shelf life.

geanienut
02-20-2009, 12:45 PM
Tuna in oil --1/4 cup=110 calories
Tuna in Water--1/4 cup =50 calories.

I prefer tuna in oil to use in casseroles and the albacore tuna in water I use with sandwiches. But one would really have to rely on Calories in a time of need so oil would be more benificial.

lumpy39us
04-20-2011, 09:55 AM
I think that my canned goods will be of things that I eat on a normal basis, therefore my stocks will be continually rotated.
It might not be beneficial to suddenly change ones diet during an extended disaster or emergency situation.
What do they call that, oh yeah the trots, lol
Then there goes the tp stash!

DMGNUT
04-21-2011, 12:08 AM
We push for 3 months of "whatever your regular diet consists of", and then longer term storage food stuff, to fill out the remainder of your 1 year food storage.
If something long term occurs, you can start to incorporate the longer term stuff into your daily diet, gradually...
Definitely don't want the trots... but get more TP, just in case. :l0 (20):

mirkwood
04-21-2011, 03:04 AM
Our core storage is made up of our regular diet. This would allow us to transition into the long term foods with ease/comfort.

lumpy39us
04-21-2011, 05:47 AM
73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)
I recently bought an old school safety razor, the blades cost $20 for a 100 blades.
The math, the blade has 2 sides, respectful guesstimate, 4 shaves per side x 2=8 shaves per blade x 100 = 800 shaves for $20
I'm not really good at math but even with errors it sounds like it can be somewhat economical!

libertygranny
04-21-2011, 08:28 AM
5. lamp oil, wicks and lamps.....while doing some online "hunting" for lamp oil to purchase for our lamps, since I could not find any at any stores in my area, I came upon a book and supplies for making your own olive oil lamps at Lehmans' website. I then went on an internet search to find tutorials to make them. So, we are making our own oil lamps from jars, some heavy wire and wicks. The nice thing is that you can use olive oil that has gone rancid in the lamps, so we are storing more olive oil w/no worries of what to do with it if it goes rancid.

arbilad
04-21-2011, 12:17 PM
Thanks LibertyGranny! I had been wondering what to do with my olive oil if it went rancid. I've ordered the book and some parts, and now, like you, I won't have to worry about buying more olive oil and having it potentially go bad.

Gingersnap
04-21-2011, 12:27 PM
A friend sent the above list with the following list. It has helped me make some adjustments to goals. Hope this is helpful to you all as well.:seeya:

From a War Survivor:
"Experienced horrible things that can happen in a war. Death of parents and friends, hunger and malnutrition, endless freezing cold, fear, sniper attacks.

1. Stockpiling helps, but you never know how long trouble will last, so locate near renewable food sources.
2. Living near a well with a manual pump is like being in Eden
3. After awhile, even gold can lose its luster. But there is no luxury in war quite like toilet paper. Its surplus value is greater than gold's.
4. If you had to go without one utility, lose electricity - it's the easiest to do without (unless you're in a very nice climate with no need for heat.)
5. Canned foods are awesome, especially if their contents are tasty without heating. One of the best things to stockpile is canned gravy - it makes a lot of the dry unappetizing things you find to eat in war somewhat edible. Only needs enough heat to "warm", not to cook. It's cheap too, especially if you buy it in bulk.
6. Bring some books - escapist ones like romance or mysteries become more valuable as the war continues. Sure, it's great to have a lot of survival guides, but you'll figure most of that out on your own anyway - trust me, you'll have a lot of time on your hands.
7. The feeling that you're human can fade pretty fast. I can't tell you how many people I knew who would have traded a much needed meal for just a little bit of toothpaste, rouge, soap or cologne. Not much point in fighting if you have to lose your humanity. These things are morale-builders like nothing else.
8. Slow burning candles and matches, matches, matches...woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens"

Noahs ARK
04-21-2011, 01:28 PM
5. lamp oil, wicks and lamps.....while doing some online "hunting" for lamp oil to purchase for our lamps, since I could not find any at any stores in my area, I came upon a book and supplies for making your own olive oil lamps at Lehmans' website. I then went on an internet search to find tutorials to make them. So, we are making our own oil lamps from jars, some heavy wire and wicks. The nice thing is that you can use olive oil that has gone rancid in the lamps, so we are storing more olive oil w/no worries of what to do with it if it goes rancid.

I saw that in the Lehman's catalog! Now I'm going to research it more, but that was the first thing that came to my mind - not worrying about rancid olive oil! Woot!!

Noahs ARK
04-21-2011, 03:46 PM
Thanks LibertyGranny! I had been wondering what to do with my olive oil if it went rancid. I've ordered the book and some parts, and now, like you, I won't have to worry about buying more olive oil and having it potentially go bad.

I just ordered it - hadn't seen it until you mentioned it. Tx!

prevent_damage
11-16-2011, 03:08 PM
What are portable toilets? I have never heard of that before. Wouldn't it just be going outside?

Toni
11-16-2011, 03:56 PM
What are portable toilets? I have never heard of that before. Wouldn't it just be going outside?

We made some in a Relief Society meeting a couple of years ago. Bought a toilet lid from Emergency Essentials and put it on a bucket.

I have a portable toilet I bought, but tossed the bucket during a brain glitch. It has an outer shell, had a bucket with a handle, a toilet lid, and a cover. It also came with an indented cover that could hold a roll of toilet paper.

These can be used if digging outside is not feasible for whatever reason, but the contents obviously still need to be disposed of.

Noahs ARK
11-16-2011, 04:48 PM
These can be used if digging outside is not feasible for whatever reason, but the contents obviously still need to be disposed of.

Stock up on clumping cat litter. It'll be so much easier to keep cleaned out if you use it inside.

constable01
11-16-2011, 06:52 PM
Build a outhouse!! A shovel,a hammer and nails,some scrap lumber, a toilet seat.and you are in business.......all the above being cheaper than buying fake toilets and the liners etc. when done you move the house portion and fill the old hole.

If you please you can even cut firing ports in it, in case you have "Take care of business" while "Taking care of business".

Why does everyone make it so difficult?

Toni
11-16-2011, 07:03 PM
I agree to some extent, Constable, but in some areas (cities and towns) neighbors or the law may object. In other circumstances, it may not be safe to go outside (fallout, for example).

ETA: It used to be against the law in Arizona to have outhouses. I haven't heard anything for a few years, so I don't know if it still is illegal.

Noahs ARK
11-16-2011, 08:02 PM
Why does everyone make it so difficult?

Sometimes we have no choice. I'm afraid my hubby's wheelchair wouldn't fit in an outhouse, so we'll stick with the indoor port-a-potty.

Earthling
11-16-2011, 11:53 PM
A relative of mine used to live in the back country of Wyoming and used an outhouse. He said after one day you wouldn't be able to stand the portable toilets with the bucket due to stench. He recommends putting a "room" in an outdoor shed for a privy - no one will know it is there.

Harm
11-17-2011, 11:39 AM
Does anyone mind linking to the Olive Oil Lamp info etc? That sounds great and as my wife and I are ready to restock our oil stores that would be great and help with worry about waste.

mgriffith
11-17-2011, 01:18 PM
Does anyone mind linking to the Olive Oil Lamp info etc? That sounds great and as my wife and I are ready to restock our oil stores that would be great and help with worry about waste.

This brings something to mind. I'm not picking on anyone or any quote, so I apologize to Harm for picking his.

I would seriously think about using any form of flame generating device for light in any emergency situation. Having spent several years using candles in our re-enactment camps, I know open flames are very dangerous and since most of us are not used to working around them, we can get injured quickly. Children are especially prone to this.

I also know storing oil and candles is troublesome, Oil containers leak, candles melt in the summer heat, tallow candles are eaten by mice. Beeswax are the best, but expensive unless you have your own hives to process.

I encourage everyone to look into LED technology. LED lights have improved immensely in the past few years are are surging ever further ahead. Current technology give us lanterns that run for a week or more on a set of batteries, many are rechargeable, and they can generate a lot of light, and without the noise of a gas or propane lantern running.

LED flashlights and headlamps work great and I have a number of them spread around so something is always available, and I have a small one on my key chain that I use all the time and it last for months. I get LED lights that use either AA or AAA batteries and I buy regular and rechargeable in both sizes. I also have a solar powered battery charger for these same sizes so I could technically have light for years and years in an emergency situation.

On a slightly other tack, I want to say that the absolute best technology every developed for lighting a fire is a BIC lighter, so stock up on them. I know how to use all the other forms, and have tried them and have them in my kit, but I flip my BIC because it works all the time.

Mark (the original)

LoudmouthMormon
11-17-2011, 05:00 PM
I so totally agree on bic lighters, it's not even funny. One day, supercool prepper LM decided to impress his kids by actually trying to make a fire with the firemaking stuff in his car bag. After 20 minutes of swearing and sweating over that horrible magnesium scraper sparky thing, I threw it across the yard and went for plan B.

Plan B was a cardboard egg carton section, full of a little shredded newspaper with wax poured over it, and a bic lighter. In thirty seconds, the middle-size sticks were working on the larger sticks.

The only word of advice with lighters - they don't store well. Let a few years go by, and you'll have an empty lighter that only makes sparks.

mgriffith
11-17-2011, 10:01 PM
The only word of advice with lighters - they don't store well. Let a few years go by, and you'll have an empty lighter that only makes sparks.

Hmmmm, maybe you're not getting the genuine BIC lighters. I have quite a few in storage, some for more than 10 years, and they work just fine. I haven't tried every one though.

Even if the butane leaks out, they can still be used. Take one of those strike anywhere matches that no longer strike anyplace, and push the head up to the sparker on the lighter. After a couple flicks, the match will light.

Mark

LoudmouthMormon
11-17-2011, 11:34 PM
I have several bic lighters from the '80's that are still good. But the newer stuff is, the cheaper it's made. There was an article I read somewhere, of a guy burying stuff in his yard and trying to find it a year later. The lighters had lost all their butane. It is possible he had bought the cheap knockoffs and not bic though.

It's modern marketing, coupled with the desire to maximize profit. If you can take a tenth of a penny out of the cost of making a disposable lighter, and still have it get sold, who cares if the thing has a slow leak, right?

DMGNUT
11-18-2011, 12:48 AM
Does anyone mind linking to the Olive Oil Lamp info etc? That sounds great and as my wife and I are ready to restock our oil stores that would be great and help with worry about waste.

Hey Man... here ya go.

http://www.lehmans.com/store/Lights___Olive_Oil_Lamps___Cabin_Olive_Oil_Lamp___ 15978?Args=&customField1=W9

GAMom
11-18-2011, 05:30 AM
A while back I posted a picture of an olive oil lamp I have. It works well, especially since I put it in one of those mason jar glasses with a handle. This way I can carry it around with out worrying about it spilling or me burning my fingers. It doesnt put out a lot of light but When the powers off its better than nothing of course the Alladin lamps are the best ive found but you have to use the right fuel for them I'll try to find the picture and repost it. I just bout a set of the replacement wicks and the metal stand you put into you jar.

phylm
11-18-2011, 07:04 PM
Build a outhouse!! A shovel,a hammer and nails,some scrap lumber, a toilet seat.and you are in business.......all the above being cheaper than buying fake toilets and the liners etc. when done you move the house portion and fill the old hole.

If you please you can even cut firing ports in it, in case you have "Take care of business" while "Taking care of business".

Why does everyone make it so difficult?

LOL!!! High five!! And, if you don't have the manufactured seat, just bevel and sand the hole. Just sayin'. :l0 (51):

phylm
11-18-2011, 07:13 PM
A while back I posted a picture of an olive oil lamp I have. It works well, especially since I put it in one of those mason jar glasses with a handle. This way I can carry it around with out worrying about it spilling or me burning my fingers. It doesnt put out a lot of light but When the powers off its better than nothing of course the Alladin lamps are the best ive found but you have to use the right fuel for them I'll try to find the picture and repost it. I just bout a set of the replacement wicks and the metal stand you put into you jar.

Back before WWII was over and rural electricity became a fact of life, my mother finally acquired an Alladin lamp. All we had to burn in it was kerosene, mantel and all... a bit smelly at times, but it worked fine. We were amazed and pleased at the light it gave off.

GAMom
11-18-2011, 07:17 PM
As a young girl - back in the late 40's we had an outhouse on our farm. It was a 2 seater - not sure except you could share your experience. The seats were rough cut & sanded smooth enough to use. Didn't smell especially nice in the summer - but with all the other farm smells you got used to it

Toni
11-18-2011, 08:02 PM
I would seriously think about using any form of flame generating device for light in any emergency situation. Having spent several years using candles in our re-enactment camps, I know open flames are very dangerous and since most of us are not used to working around them, we can get injured quickly. Children are especially prone to this.

This is what I love about olive oil lamps. If they tip over, they extinguish themselves, and it's a good way to use olive oil that is rancid/old. We have some olive oil lamps and have used them during power outages. We got ours at http://www.lehmans.com/. They also sell a booklet called something like I didn't know oil could burn.

Toni
11-18-2011, 08:05 PM
A while back I posted a picture of an olive oil lamp I have. It works well, especially since I put it in one of those mason jar glasses with a handle. This way I can carry it around with out worrying about it spilling or me burning my fingers. It doesnt put out a lot of light but When the powers off its better than nothing.

True. A candle gives more light but, as you say, it's better than nothing.

GAMom
11-19-2011, 11:27 AM
Here is the pictures I took of the Olive Oil Lamp. I took this in a dark room - no other light source at all.

http://thumbp3-gq1.thumb.mail.yahoo.com/tn?sid=19140298535219334&mid=AK23iGIAAQ3YTsfmOwgKgE%2BG%2FqM&midoffset=1_2418556&partid=2&f=1808&fid=Inbox http://thumbp3-gq1.thumb.mail.yahoo.com/tn?sid=19140298535219334&mid=AK23iGIAAQ3YTsfmOwgKgE%2BG%2FqM&midoffset=1_2418556&partid=3&f=1808&fid=Inbox

You can see the type jar/glass I used for it. I have closed it with a regualar jar lid & ring, & stored it with my other lamps. I like this because as mentioned, if it does happen to get bumped and spill over, it doesen't continue burning, but rather the flame goes out.

Toni
11-19-2011, 06:52 PM
I can't see the photo. It's tricky to post photos on here. I think most people post them from photo bucket.

GAMom
11-19-2011, 07:22 PM
Oops Im sorry. I'll try again later after I figure out how to do it.

constable01
11-19-2011, 09:44 PM
I am Appalacian American.........don't even get me started on making your own Alcohol...............for...umm......Medicinal purposes of course!!

Hey just because my mother convertyed and my siblings are first generation mormons does not mean we didn't learn from my grandfather and great uncles how to produce "Unsubsidized,Unauthorized Ethanol":d0 (22):

thomasusa
11-19-2011, 10:59 PM
...does not mean we didn't learn from my grandfather and great uncles how to produce "Unsubsidized,Unauthorized Ethanol"

Teach me how to do it and I promise that I'll convert my car to run on it. :l0 (5):

Karen Ricks Wife
12-28-2011, 07:07 PM
We made some in a Relief Society meeting a couple of years ago. Bought a toilet lid from Emergency Essentials and put it on a bucket.

I have a portable toilet I bought, but tossed the bucket during a brain glitch. It has an outer shell, had a bucket with a handle, a toilet lid, and a cover. It also came with an indented cover that could hold a roll of toilet paper.

These can be used if digging outside is not feasible for whatever reason, but the contents obviously still need to be disposed of.



We had a bishop tell everyone over the pulpit to go dig a hole in your yard as far away from your house as possible and then put a piece of plywood over the top and secure it...that such a hole would come in handy one day soon...He then clarified that the hole would be used for sanitation when the sewer system "shuts down".

By way of teaching here...if you can afford to do it, you really want at least two buckets...one for liquid waste and the other for solid (poo) waste. Toxic fumes will be created if both are allowed to mix...Plus you can pour the liquid in a distilling hole, while the solids go in the "waste" hole.

The finely grated kitty litter is great for covering and odor control.

(dh and I work in the industry Water and Waste water Operations)

Noahs ARK
12-28-2011, 07:45 PM
The finely grated kitty litter is great for covering and odor control.

We stock the clumping litter.

Thanks for all the good info you've posted here!

mgriffith
12-28-2011, 10:35 PM
We stock the clumping litter.


After using the bucket, throw some dirt or kitty litter in, then sprinkle some carpet fresh over it all. No more smell. We did this in our tent and only had to empty the bucket once a day or less.

Mark

constable01
12-28-2011, 11:05 PM
Alright, ThomasUSA:

1. Find a place uncle sam doesn't know about.

2. Gather a source of good steady heat, a container to ferment your mash in, copper tubing to recondense the alcohol and a collection tank.

3. Good high sugar content corn such as sugarqueen to make the mash out of and extra sugar to speed the fermentation...........

Oak Barrels, char the insides to give your newly minted alcohol that charcoal color and to take the edge off the alcohol as it ages.

AND YOUR SCRIPTURES TO REMIND YOU OF THE WORD OF WISDOM!!!:d0 (75):

Justme
12-29-2011, 05:28 PM
I am so mad. I live in the country and have a septic system that has worked well for 23 years. Recently had to make a small repair to it, probably didn't have to be done but I was honest and got a permit. The county turned a small repair into a major expense, had to sell investments to do it, the cost was exorbitant. In short the inspector would not let me go deeper that l foot for my drain field because of high water table (5 ft down) even though I had used my previous system for all those years with nocontamination of nearby wells or surface water. In order to make everything work he required a pump to be installed in the septic tank, even though letting me go 1 foot and 1/2 inch would have negated the need for an expensive pump and future electric bills. 1/2 inch!!!!!!!

Now every time the electricity goes out I will no longer trust my septic system.

Time to build a shed with an outhouse concealed in it as suggested in this thread.

Without getting a permit! Do I dare?

Earthling
12-29-2011, 09:26 PM
I think you should have learned your lesson about permits by now . . . just saying . . .

sherry
02-22-2012, 03:29 PM
thats a lot of stuff.

A friend who is not LDS sent this to me....interesting to say the least.

Knowledge is power...in the event of some natural or man-made calamity...this list can be helpful...if you have any friends in the LDS Church (Mormon), they can give you a lot of insight as to what their Church teaches them regarding preparedness for a disaster...a one year supply of food storage is the main idea...if there is a major disaster, it could be weeks or months before order is restored...for my LDS friends-there are a few items that do not appear on any list I have seen from the Church)...

100 Items to Disappear First
1. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Gas storage, risky. Noisy...target of thieves; maintenance etc.)
2. Water Filters/Purifiers
3. Portable Toilets
4. Seasoned Firewood. Wood takes about 6 - 12 months to become dried, for home uses.
5. Lamp Oil, Wicks, Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!)
6. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much.
7. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots.
8. Hand-can openers, & hand egg beaters, whisks.
9. Honey/Syrups/white, brown sugar
10. Rice - Beans - Wheat
11. Vegetable Oil (for cooking) Without it food burns/must be boiled etc.,)
12. Charcoal, Lighter Fluid (Will become scarce suddenly)
13. Water Containers (Urgent Item to obtain.) Any size. Small: HARD CLEAR PLASTIC ONLY - note - food grade if for drinking.
16. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur.
17. Survival Guide Book.
18. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.)
19. Baby Supplies: Diapers/formula. ointments/aspirin, etc.
20. Washboards, Mop Bucket w/wringer (for Laundry)
21. Cookstoves (Propane, Coleman & Kerosene)
22. Vitamins
23. Propane Cylinder Handle-Holder (Urgent: Small canister use is dangerous without this item)
24. Feminine Hygiene/Haircare/Skin products.
25. Thermal underwear (Tops & Bottoms)
26. Bow saws, axes and hatchets, Wedges (also, honing oil)
27. Aluminum Foil Reg. & Heavy Duty (Great Cooking and Barter Item)
28. Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)
29. Garbage Bags (Impossible To Have Too Many).
30. Toilet Paper, Kleenex, Paper Towels
31. Milk - Powdered & Condensed (Shake Liquid every 3 to 4 months)
32. Garden Seeds (Non-Hybrid) (A MUST)
33. Clothes pins/line/hangers (A MUST)
34. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit
35. Tuna Fish (in oil)
36. Fire Extinguishers (or..large box of Baking Soda in every room)
37. First aid kits
38. Batteries (all sizes...buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)
39. Garlic, spices & vinegar, baking supplies
40. Big Dogs (and plenty of dog food)
41. Flour, yeast & salt
42. Matches. {"Strike Anywhere" preferred.) Boxed, wooden matches will go first
43. Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators
44. Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in Wintertime.)
45. Workboots, belts, Levis & durable shirts
46. Flashlights/LIGHTSTICKS & torches, "No. 76 Dietz" Lanterns
47. Journals, Diaries & Scrapbooks (jot down ideas, feelings, experience; Historic Times)
48. Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water, transporting - if with wheels)
49. Men's Hygiene: Shampoo, Toothbrush/paste, Mouthwash/floss, nail clippers, etc
50. Cast iron cookware (sturdy, efficient)
51. Fishing supplies/tools
52. Mosquito coils/repellent, sprays/creams
53. Duct Tape
54. Tarps/stakes/twine/nails/rope/spikes
55. Candles
56. Laundry Detergent (liquid)
57. Backpacks, Duffel Bags
58. Garden tools & supplies
59. Scissors, fabrics & sewing supplies
60. Canned Fruits, Veggies, Soups, stews, etc.
61. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)
62. Canning supplies, (Jars/lids/wax)
63. Knives & Sharpening tools: files, stones, steel
64. Bicycles...Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc
65. Sleeping Bags & blankets/pillows/mats
66. Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)
67. Board Games, Cards, Dice
68. d-con Rat poison, MOUSE PRUFE II, Roach Killer
69. Mousetraps, Ant traps & cockroach magnets
70. Paper plates/cups/utensils (stock up, folks)
71. Baby wipes, oils, waterless & Antibacterial soap (saves a lot of water)
72. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.
73. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)
74. Hand pumps & siphons (for water and for fuels)
75. Soysauce, vinegar, bullions/gravy/soupbase
76. Reading glasses
77. Chocolate/Cocoa/Tang/Punch (water enhancers)
78. "Survival-in-a-Can"
79. Woolen clothing, scarves/ear-muffs/mittens
80. Boy Scout Handbook, / also Leaders Catalog
81. Roll-on Window Insulation Kit (MANCO)
82. Graham crackers, saltines, pretzels, Trail mix/Jerky
83. Popcorn, Peanut Butter, Nuts
84. Socks, Underwear, T-shirts, etc. (extras)
85. Lumber (all types)
86. Wagons & carts (for transport to and from)
87. Cots & Inflatable mattress's
88. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.
89. Lantern Hangers
90. Screen Patches, glue, nails, screws,, nuts & bolts
91. Teas
92. Coffee
93. Cigarettes
94. Wine/Liquors (for bribes, medicinal, etc,)
95. Paraffin wax
96. Glue, nails, nuts, bolts, screws, etc.
97. Chewing gum/candies
98. Atomizers (for cooling/bathing)
99. Hats & cotton neckerchiefs
100. Goats/chickens
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constable01
02-22-2012, 03:36 PM
Of all the items that will dissappear after society fails......I shall miss toilet tissue the most!!

Red Dragon
12-26-2012, 03:13 PM
I have seen this list around for a few years. I don't agree with everything on the list so I made some changes. Hopefully it makes more sense now:

This is based off the list going around the internet of the “100 items to disappear first in an emergency.” There seemed to be no basis for it, just a so-called “its common sense – you’re an idiot if you don’t get it” list. I’m sure most of those items disappear in an emergency, but for it to be useful; you need to understand why you would need them and how it all fits together. This is based off LONG term survival without your utilities, or an easy way to get food. I’ve underlined items that are generally considered essential, but you make disagree, so adjust it according to your needs.<?XML:NAMESPACE PREFIX = O /><O:p< font O:p<>

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<O:p< p O:p<>First off, an emergency will mean that you don’t have your basic utilities such as electricity, water and sewer, and there will be no food at the grocery store. This is important to understand because I regularly see comments from people like – “I’ve never needed an egg beater in 42 years so why would I need it in an emergency?” This shows a lack of understanding what will happen in an emergency. If there is no food at the store, you hopefully have prepared and have ingredients already saved to make bread and other basic foods. Therefore, with no electricity, you will need an egg beater to mix up your ingredients to make bread so you can live (or make plans to get your food some other way so you don’t need the egg beater). I hope that makes sense! <O:p< font O:p<>

<O:p< p O:p<>Secondly, you should not try to get every single item! For example, pick 1-3 ways to heat your home (if that is where you are staying during the emergency). You should start out by getting one way to cook, heat, and light your home, and once you get all the areas you need, then work on getting a second and possibly a third way to do those things. You also should try to combine items in different categories to reduce overall costs. For example get a lantern, heating head, and stove that all work off of propane and then you only have to stock up on propane cylinders.<O:p< font O:p<>

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1. Lamp Oil, Wicks, and Lamps (First Choice: Buy CLEAR oil. If scarce, stockpile ANY!)<O:p< font O:p<>
2. Coleman Fuel. Impossible to stockpile too much.<O:p< font O:p<>
3. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur)<O:p< font O:p<>
4. Mantles: Aladdin, Coleman, etc. (Without this item, longer-term lighting is difficult.)<O:p< font O:p<>
5. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit<O:p< font O:p<>
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8. Candles<O:p< font O:p<>
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13. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit<O:p< font O:p<>
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15. Mini propane heater head (without this item, propane won't heat a room)<O:p< font O:p<>
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18. Propane Cylinders (Urgent: Definite shortages will occur)<O:p< font O:p<>
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21. Coleman's Pump Repair Kit<O:p< font O:p<>
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57. Bleach (plain, NOT scented: 4 to 6% sodium hypochlorite)<O:p< O:p< u>
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68. Baby wipes, waterless & Antibacterial soap (saves a lot of water)<O:p< O:p< u>
69. OTC meds & Vitamins (Ibuprofen, Tylenol, Pepto, cold/flu, allergy, multi-vitamin, etc.)<O:p< O:p< u>
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71. Shaving supplies (razors & creams, talc, after shave)<O:p< font O:p<>
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73. Gloves: Work/warming/gardening, etc.<O:p< font O:p<>
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77. Sunscreen, sun clothing (keep the sun off your skin)<O:p< font O:p<>
78. Rain gear, rubberized boots, etc.<O:p< font O:p<>
79. Snow gear (especially snow shoes, etc. (make sure they are waterproof))<O:p< font O:p<>
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85. Duct Tape<O:p< O:p< u>
86. Dust masks<O:p< O:p< u>
87. Tarps/sheeting<O:p< O:p< u>
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89. Twine/rope<O:p< O:p< u>
90. Nails/screws<O:p< O:p< u>
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98. Generators (Good ones cost dearly. Risky and noisy...target of thieves; maintenance etc. Gas storage?<O:p< font O:p<>
99. Guns, Ammunition, Pepper Spray, Knives, Clubs, Bats & Slingshots.<O:p< O:p< u>
100.Antifreeze – Keeps drains from freezing<O:p< font O:p<>
101.Car battery chargers<O:p< font O:p<>
102.Survival Guide Book/Boy Scout Handbook<O:p< font O:p<>
103.Gasoline Containers (Plastic & Metal)<O:p< font O:p<>
104.Garbage Bags (impossible to have too many)<O:p< O:p< u>
105.Toilet Paper, Kleenex<O:p< O:p< u>
106.Fire Extinguishers (or a large box of Baking Soda in every room)<O:p< O:p< u>
107.Batteries (all sizes...buy furthest-out for Expiration Dates)<O:p< font O:p<>
108.Matches. ("Strike Anywhere", boxed, wooden), lighters and fluid/butane<O:p< O:p< u>
109.Fire Starters – flint/steel, lighters, magnifying glass, etc<O:p< O:p< u>
110.Writing paper/pads/pencils, solar calculators<O:p< font O:p<>
111.Insulated ice chests (good for keeping items from freezing in wintertime)<O:p< font O:p<>
112.Garbage cans Plastic (great for storage, water, transporting - if with wheels)<O:p< font O:p<>
113.Fishing supplies/tools<O:p< font O:p<>
114.Backpacks, Duffel Bags<O:p< font O:p<>
115.Bicycles, & Parts—Tires/tubes/pumps/chains, etc.<O:p< font O:p<>
116.Sleeping Bags & blankets/pillows/mats<O:p< font O:p<>
117.Carbon Monoxide Alarm (battery powered)<O:p< font O:p<>
118.Board Games, Entertainment items<O:p< font O:p<>
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-Cash (small bills

I didn't necessarily add anything (that I remember) but organized it to make it easier to plan and prepare. I KNOW that not everyone will agree and that's fine. It's just food for thought!

Red

ETA- Looks like it underlined almost everything so disregard that comment.
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DMGNUT
12-26-2012, 08:12 PM
Hey Red Dragon,
I just noticed this was your first post... you should go over to the introduction thread and tell us a little about yourself.
And welcome aboard... :cool (3):

JuneGem
12-27-2012, 09:11 AM
Thanks for the cleaned up list.

One thing I would like to add to the Lighting section. Good staked solar walkway lights. They can be brought in at night for lighting, to help save on flashlight/lantern batteries and lantern oil/candles.

CurtisG
12-27-2012, 12:38 PM
Of all the items that will dissappear after society fails......I shall miss toilet tissue the most!!
To make matters worse, Sears doesnt send those free catalogs anymore:117: