Modified Pyramid Tent

[thermocouple]

I am gaging interest on a group buy for modified pyramid tents from Red Hawk Trading, out of Malad, ID. Their typical sizes are listed below, but I have called them and they have made 15x25's and 15x30's. I am going to be making a purchase soon, and it occured to me to ask them if they will give discounts for group purchases, they said they would. Right now I would just like to find out if anyone is interested, if so I will try to find out about group pricing.


Red Hawk Modified Pyramid Tent

The Modified Pyramid tent has a 12 inch wear strip for the ridge pole. Ties help hold the ridge pole in place while pitching the tent. A 15 inch sod cloth is placed on all sides of the tent with heavy duty reinforced stake loops. Available sizes are:
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All seams are sewn with a 3/4 inch flat felt-locking seam. This tent uses the very same front and back as the regular pyramid tent, except we insert a strip of canvas between the front and back now making it considerably larger. For Example: a 12 ft. x 12 ft. with a 6 ft. insert now becomes 12 ft. wide x 18 ft. long. These tents are constructed with the same high quality as the rest of the Red Hawk Tents. All sizes are cutout sizes. Tents will finish smaller.




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MODIFIED PYRAMID TENT PRICES

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TENT STORAGE BAGS INCLUDED Tent price does not include poles



Tent Windows$38Tent Stove Insert:$33



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*20 ft. of 1/4" sisal rope needed for awning





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Malad ID 83252


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[Abinadi]

Please find out a group buy price. I am interested.

Abinadi

[thermocouple]

What I would like is for people to look at the price list (via the link in my first post) and decide if they are interested in purchasing one of these tents for some amount less than that. When I have an idea of how many people may be interested, and what people are specifically interested in (sizes, options) I can get some prices.

BUT -- I am not "promoting" this. These are really great tents, I see people using them first-hand all the time, and I am personally sold on them. I am not trying to convince anybody of anything though, I am going to be buying one of these whether or not it's a group buy.

[TheSwally]

Thermo,
What are the advantages of this tent? I assume they are fairly strong and weather resistant?

[thermocouple]

Swally,
When these tents are pitched correctly, meaning staked out well and using the correct length center pole, they are very stable. Despite having only a center pole (and a horizontal ridge pole atop that) they dont blow down simply because there is nowhere for that center pole to go, as long as your stakes are driven deep and at an angle, the tent and that center pole are not going anywhere. Two poles, some stakes, the canvas, no ropes. Simple to set up, no tricky or complicated steps, one person can do it alone in a short period of time. Because of the slope of the canvas these tents shed rain and snow loads very well, and deflect wind well too. They are roomy and well made, I have been in storms in camps with my tipi that blew down wall tents, and left modified pyramid tents intact.

[TheSwally]

Swally,
When these tents are pitched correctly, meaning staked out well and using the correct length center pole, they are very stable. Despite having only a center pole (and a horizontal ridge pole atop that) they dont blow down simply because there is nowhere for that center pole to go, as long as your stakes are driven deep and at an angle, the tent and that center pole are not going anywhere. Two poles, some stakes, the canvas, no ropes. Simple to set up, no tricky or complicated steps, one person can do it alone in a short period of time. Because of the slope of the canvas these tents shed rain and snow loads very well, and deflect wind well too. They are roomy and well made, I have been in storms in camps with my tipi that blew down wall tents, and left modified pyramid tents intact.

And they don't need a rain tarp (can you tell I am a total amateur here?). How do they compare to tipis? Can you put a stove in the Pyramids?

[Caveman]

Sounds easy to set up. Even a caveman can do it.

[thermocouple]

And they don't need a rain tarp (can you tell I am a total amateur here?). How do they compare to tipis? Can you put a stove in the Pyramids?
No rain tarp, the Sunforger canvas is flame retardant and weather proofed. It's hard to compare anything to a tipi in terms of sturdiness, tipi's are just rocks. But tipis are a real pain to store, transport and set up/take down. You need three reasonably capable men to get a tipi up, and it takes well over an hour, perhaps two. These modified pyramid tents can be ordered with the stove flap insert, and most of them that I see have stoves in use inside. I love tipi's, but I am selling my tipi to my brother in law and replacing it with a large modified pyramid tent.

[thermocouple]

Anyone who is seriously interested please send me a PM. I may be putting my order in fairly soon. Again, I'm not trying to pressure or convince anyone into getting one of these shelters, I am buying one either way.

[TheSwally]

I'm sorry to ask so many questions! How do they do for warmth? Just looking at the picture, it seems like they wouldn't be a great winter tent. But I'm sure I am mistaken if you are so interested in it. Comments?

[thermocouple]

Swally, they are probably more difficult to heat than a low-ceiling wall tent, due to the heat rising to the high point in the tent. But for the same reasons it also sheds wind, rain and snow far better than a wall tent. You may be able to keep a wall tent a little warmer, but if you have good sleeping gear then this thing will be warm enough, and it will stay up in a storm. A story I have told several times now is of a storm last year while we were camping in our tipi. It was heavy rain and extremely strong winds, with gusts that had me lying awake wondering if the tipi would hold. A lot of yelling in camp occured as a wall tent simply blew down, with the campers inside. The tipis and pyramid tents all stayed up. With shelters it really just boils down to which tent has the most pros and the fewest cons for your specific needs. In my own case the modified pyramid fits this bill, cons notwithstanding.

[Abinadi]

Having smelled a fire treated tent..I am only going with water treated. I am concerned about the health affects with fire treated canvas.
Where do you put you stove in these tents???

Abinadi

[thermocouple]

Abinadi, I dont know if you have smelled Sunforger canvas or some regular canvas treated by someone in their yard or something. Most of the tents at the camps I go to are Sunforger, and there is no detectable difference in odor.

As for the stove, when they take your order you tell them where in the tent you want them to place the stove jack and flap. It goes wherever you think is best, and if you dont know where is best they will just put it where they think is best. Ideally you want to consider your tent size and the size of everything you want to have inside of your tent. Draw it all out on some engineering paper, the kind with the little squares all over it, and treat each square as a specific unit of measurement. Get measurements for all of your stuff, including your stove, and start laying it all out. You can take it a step further and actually rope off an area on your lawn that is what your tent would be, and then rope off the different objects, like your bed and your camp stove, etc. This will give you a good idea of how close everything is, and importantly if the tent you are considering is too small, or too big. It will also help you decide if that spot you are thinking of putting the stove is really going to work out after all. Remember that the stated sizes of tents is actually the cut size, and after sewing the actual size is going to be 6"-8" smaller in each dimension (10x15 is really approx 9 1/2" x 14 1/2"). This is important to know if your stuff "barely" fits when you are laying it all out.

[Izzybean]

Abinadi, I dont know if you have smelled Sunforger canvas or some regular canvas treated by someone in their yard or something. Most of the tents at the camps I go to are Sunforger, and there is no detectable difference in odor.

As for the stove, when they take your order you tell them where in the tent you want them to place the stove jack and flap. It goes wherever you think is best, and if you dont know where is best they will just put it where they think is best. Ideally you want to consider your tent size and the size of everything you want to have inside of your tent. Draw it all out on some engineering paper, the kind with the little squares all over it, and treat each square as a specific unit of measurement. Get measurements for all of your stuff, including your stove, and start laying it all out. You can take it a step further and actually rope off an area on your lawn that is what your tent would be, and then rope off the different objects, like your bed and your camp stove, etc. This will give you a good idea of how close everything is, and importantly if the tent you are considering is too small, or too big. It will also help you decide if that spot you are thinking of putting the stove is really going to work out after all. Remember that the stated sizes of tents is actually the cut size, and after sewing the actual size is going to be 6"-8" smaller in each dimension (10x15 is really approx 9 1/2" x 14 1/2"). This is important to know if your stuff "barely" fits when you are laying it all out.

So I have a question, IF you didn't have a "kitchen" and you had to put all your cooking stuff in the pyramid tent where would you put it? The camp kitchen is tall and the way the pyramid tent is you would have to put it in the back, kind of like how we have it in the "kitchen", right? But then again would it work cause the sides don't go straight up then at an angle. Cdub is thinking abt getting one of these, I am too, but I am still not completely sure. I like the teepee and how spacious it is, how open the top is. I don't like all the many poles and how long it takes to put it up and how you have to have someone help you put it up. I like to be able to stand up in all areas of the tent. Am i making any sense?

[thermocouple]

Yes, you're making sense for a change Izzybean. :d0 (21):

To be clear for everyone else, Izzybean is referring to the Cabela's camp kitchen, which has a couple of poles at it's back for hanging lanterns, and these poles stand about 6' high. This obviously poses a problem with any tent that slants inward from the base, which is true with all tents except the various forms of wall tent. If you are trying to put your kitchen setup in your modified pyramid tent, you have three options.

1) move it out far enough so that it fits (obvious option)

2) remove the top bars that hold the lanterns, this would shave about 18" off of the overall height, and allow you to push the kitchen in further.

3) have Red Hawk make your tent, and have them sew in d-rings at a specific height onn the outside of the canvas. Using ropes, poles and stakes, you can pull the tent walls outward at these points, giving the bottom portions of your tent walls a larger angle, closer to vertical, if that makes any sense. If this doesnt make sense I cna draw a picture and post it. I will be having Red Hawk sew these d-rings into my own tent.

[Izzybean]

I know, for once. It tends to happen in this house, the people just don't make sense most of the time. :) The people next to us had these d-rings on their modified pyramid tent, right? How far up would you recommend having these d-rings placed? My main concern is leakage of water, remember last year at Buenaventura when it rained pretty hard at night? Our wall tent stayed up but the water leaked thru the top. Any thoughts? This wouldn't happen with the pyramid tent but what if you pulled the sides out as you are stating?


Yes, you're making sense for a change Izzybean. :d0 (21):

To be clear for everyone else, Izzybean is referring to the Cabela's camp kitchen, which has a couple of poles at it's back for hanging lanterns, and these poles stand about 6' high. This obviously poses a problem with any tent that slants inward from the base, which is true with all tents except the various forms of wall tent. If you are trying to put your kitchen setup in your modified pyramid tent, you have three options.

1) move it out far enough so that it fits (obvious option)

2) remove the top bars that hold the lanterns, this would shave about 18" off of the overall height, and allow you to push the kitchen in further.

3) have Red Hawk make your tent, and have them sew in d-rings at a specific height onn the outside of the canvas. Using ropes, poles and stakes, you can pull the tent walls outward at these points, giving the bottom portions of your tent walls a larger angle, closer to vertical, if that makes any sense. If this doesnt make sense I cna draw a picture and post it. I will be having Red Hawk sew these d-rings into my own tent.

[thermocouple]

I have considered this and plan to discuss the problem with Red Hawk when they start designing my tent. I do know that all of their tents include the sod cloth, which is the extra flap at the base of each wall. But I want to determine if adding a few inches of extra material will aid the effect of making the lower walls closer to vertical, without creating an opening at the bottom of the tent. To be honest the d-rings are really an add-on, I dont consider them a necessary feature. Not only do I not want the base of the tent being raised when the d-rings are in use, I also dont want slack in the walls when they are not in use. In my mind it's simply a matter of very minor changes how you stake the base of the tent out, depending on whether or not you intend to use the d-rings on a given occasion, but I plan to discuss this with them.

Izzybean, are you and Cdub planning to purchase a new modified as well? Chad at Red Hawk told me that he will give better rates with the more tents purchased, and since I will most likely be buying a larger tent (10x25 is where I'm leaning) he said that he would be willing to give a discount even if I only ordered two tents. Also he said that he has to come down to South Jordan every few weeks, and since I work there he said he would simply bring the tents down rather than actually ship them, if I toss him some gas money for the extra weight.

[Izzybean]

I have considered this and plan to discuss the problem with Red Hawk when they start designing my tent. I do know that all of their tents include the sod cloth, which is the extra flap at the base of each wall. But I want to determine if adding a few inches of extra material will aid the effect of making the lower walls closer to vertical, without creating an opening at the bottom of the tent. To be honest the d-rings are really an add-on, I dont consider them a necessary feature. Not only do I not want the base of the tent being raised when the d-rings are in use, I also dont want slack in the walls when they are not in use. In my mind it's simply a matter of very minor changes how you stake the base of the tent out, depending on whether or not you intend to use the d-rings on a given occasion, but I plan to discuss this with them.

Izzybean, are you and Cdub planning to purchase a new modified as well? Chad at Red Hawk told me that he will give better rates with the more tents purchased, and since I will most likely be buying a larger tent (10x25 is where I'm leaning) he said that he would be willing to give a discount even if I only ordered two tents. Also he said that he has to come down to South Jordan every few weeks, and since I work there he said he would simply bring the tents down rather than actually ship them, if I toss him some gas money for the extra weight.

I know that Cdub wants to, and I have been considering it as well. We will have to sell our 18footer of course, but that isn't a problem. I too don't want the slack if the d-rings aren't being used. I don't want it to sag. That was the problem with the wall tent, the roof sagged leaving space for water to puddle and then eventually leak through. Let me know what you find out from them about the d-rings and what not. One thing I am worried about is that if I used the d-rings to pull out the walls it will be like a wall tent, the similar appearance i am fine with...it is just the sagging of the roof or sides or the slack of the sides it may create.

[Abinadi]

The smell I was refering to was fire treated smell. I don't mind the sunforager at all.
I am learing alot here. Maybe we need a cook kitchen as well...I hadn't thought of that but why not.

Abinadi

[dlcorrell]

Hey Thermo,

Doug and I were thinking of getting one. Have you put in your order yet?

d

[thermocouple]

Hey Thermo,

Doug and I were thinking of getting one. Have you put in your order yet?

d
Nope. Some other things came up, and for now we're continuing to use our tipi. I do indeed intend to order one though, and will definitely let you know beforehand.