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Charsee
04-03-2008, 01:45 AM
We can already say that it is too late to get wheat at less than $8.00 for 50 lbs. Fortunately, the church is providing their wheat or we could also say that it is too late to get it at $20 for 50 lbs.

I wonder how much grain the church actually has for those that still need their "long-term storage."

I think about those that the church may need to provide for if the time were to come when we must use our stores:

To provide food storage for the 34,000 students at BYU would require 12,240,000 pounds of food for subsistence level eating for one year. The 13,500 students at BYU Idaho would need 4,860,000 pounds. Then there are all the other students at BYU Hawaii and other universities and colleges throughout the world. Sixty thousand missionaries would require 21 million 600 thousand pounds. The disabled of the church and their families, the unemployed and underemployed and their families and others unable to get a year supply would add hundreds of millions of pounds of food needed from the welfare system. What happens if there is a major recession or a disruption of the food supply...can the church provide for everyone? Unfortunately, most people in the church are banking on it...

An LDS family of 6 needs 300 pounds grains and 60 pounds beans and other legumes per person...that means they need 2,160 lbs of food to survive a year. (www.providentliving.org (http://www.providentliving.org/) also says "You may also want to add other items to your longer-term storage such as sugar, nonfat dry milk, salt, baking soda, and cooking oil. To meet nutritional needs, also store foods containing Vitamin C and other essential nutrients.")

If the church had 1,000,000 lbs of grains, that would be enough for 462 families. As of July 1. 2000, there were 717,748 households in Utah. To feed the people of Utah for one year at subsistence levels would have taken 808,759,080 lbs. of food, with eight years of growth since then, it could be close to a billion pounds that would be needed.

A year's worth of food at www.LDS.org (http://www.lds.org/) is $312 (12 starter kits of 2 cans wheat, 2 cans rice, 1 can oatmeal and 1 can beans) which is delivered to your door in storable boxes ($228 if you can go to the church cannery to get it yourself). For a family of 6 it would take $1,872 to have it delivered to your home with perhaps no more effort to you than charging your credit card. To just put a very basic supply of food in your own containers would cost around $30 for beans and $57 for red wheat (church cannery) or $87...or $522 for a family of six.

It is not too late to get a years worth of food at reasonable prices, but it soon could be! Prices continue to rise.

What if we were told by church leaders to get our food NOW and the 90+ percent LDS that don't have it all tried to get their food at once? Or if the news reported about the serious global food shortages we are experiencing (i.e. 27 days worth of wheat left in the U.S. by July) and they mentioned that you can get a month's supply of food for $18.69 from LDS church canneries or $25.95 www.lds.org (http://www.lds.org/) delivered to you. How long could the church sell these before the grain was gone?

I do not mean to create feelings of discomfort, but hope for a sense of urgency in our members and neighbors. I just think it might be a little too late for some if they don't start storing now... I hope, pray and believe that many if not most who are seriously committed and prayerful about getting their "long-term storage" will be blessed to be able to "gather in" what they will need.

As we take and store our long-term storage at home, it allows the church to use their storage capacity for those that cannot have their own. Perhaps they need this space. Perhaps we will be accountable if we rely on the church to store our food for us until we need it. We have been told that our homes should be the storehouse for our family. Also, that father's have a divine responsibility to provide the necessities of life. The Boy Scouts try to "Be Prepared"... may we all be.

Cowboy
04-03-2008, 08:28 AM
This is an interesting question, "Is it too late to get food storage?"

My answer is certainly not! Why is it too late? Are the stores closed? Is our money worthless today? Now if you do not have any food storage you better start. TODAY. Sacks of wheat are not the only thing you need to buy. Rice and beans can keep you alive. Canned goods, packaged good, freeze dried goods, boxed goods can all keep you alive. I have a friend who says he is going to buy beer and wine to use as barter for food because he can get it cheaper (not a sound judgment call in my book). But anything you can buy is food storage. You can buy a case of top ramin noodles for 8 bucks. It will keep you alive. So is it too late? No way. Not until you can not buy anything. Not until the trucks stop rolling, the stores close, and the mob rules. Then it is too late. That is why you can not delay, everything could change in a day.

A'Marie
04-03-2008, 08:34 AM
Well said cowboy. :thumbup:

Thanks for bringing up this discussion Charsee.

phylm
04-03-2008, 08:36 AM
Thoughtful question, and useful counsel, Charsee. I try to engage members in this discussion as often as I can. It is amazing how many members are totally oblivious to the approaching food shortages. I brought it up with two long-time members at the FHC yesterday, and they shrugged it off. One has no storage, the other told me he has some "20 year old wheat." Even the news that our cannery has no wheat didn't impress them. Guess what they said: "We're coming to your house if it gets bad." I said, "Don't bother, I have enough grasshoppers of my own to care for!" We parted lalughing. <sigh> phylm

prairiemom
04-03-2008, 09:19 AM
I worry that there will be a lot of panic buying. There's a time and season for everything. We pray for rain in due season, we need to store food in "due season". Right now is the season for planting a garden. I wouldn't encourage people to buy wheat right now--it will only add to the shortages, push prices up and fuel more panic. Wait until the harvest. There WILL be more after the harvest, the prices WILL go down some at harvest. Don't panic.

Right now everyone should be planting gardens and buying processed foods (because the prices for processed foods--flour, oil, sugar, molasses, pasta, etc) won't go down. Get your water storage now. Follow the Lord's counsel and gather these things in wisdom and prudence.

Last Aug and again in Dec I sent a newsletter to everyone in my stake signed up for our Preparedness newsletter. It told them grain reserves are at a 59-yr low, prices were rising and those who didn't get their food storage soon would have a very hard time doing it later. I hate to be right, but the signs were all there for those who were willing to listen.

sarge712
04-03-2008, 09:42 AM
No its not too late but its is much more expensive and will be exponentially harder as time goes on. When the trucks stop running and lines form at what few store are still open, then start worrying. Right now go forward in faith, not fear.

Start with the Church's staples list and then add to it. We talk a lot about the extras & comfort foods but you will make it on the staples. Look at it from this perspective: the staples would have been high livin' in most of the Bible / BoM / pioneer times so if that's all you have, you are doing at least as well as our ancestors did.

I surely wouldn't wait past the end of May. For some reason that keeps popping into my mind, the end of May. It may be that world events usually ramp up in the heat of summer.

Semper Gumby.

level3Navigator
04-03-2008, 11:23 AM
An LDS family of 6 needs 300 pounds grains and 60 pounds beans and other legumes per person...that means they need 2,160 lbs of food to survive a year.




If the church had 1,000,000 lbs of grains, that would be enough for 462 families. As of July 1. 2000, there were 717,748 households in Utah. To feed the people of Utah for one year at subsistence levels would have taken 808,759,080 lbs. of food, with eight years of growth since then, it could be close to a billion pounds that would be needed.


A great reminder, but your math is incorrect, perhaps because you keep switching between comparing grain versus food. Let's just do the grain math:

1 million pounds of grain distributed at 300 pounds per adult person would feed 3,333 adults (you can calculate the family size for yourself: Average in Utah is around 3.5 - 3.6 children, and children would not be eating as much as an adult).

I also don't know how much grain is currently stored by the church. Anyone have those facts?

But this is a very solemn reminder. As President Hinckley said, the best storage is home storage. We should not rely upon church or state to provide what we need.

mirkwood
04-03-2008, 11:50 AM
I have a co-worker whose dad is a Regional Welfare Specialist (answers to the Q70). He told us that the church has stored enough food to feed one family in every ward in the world one meal and then the stored food is gone.


It will only be too late when there is no food or store to purchase from. Until then there is still the ability to be obedient.

goldilocks
04-03-2008, 08:08 PM
I agree its not too late just get out there and do it.

When the panic buying starts and stores close then we can sit back like Noah and wait for the rain knowing we have been obedient and done all we could. We can feel some peace in knowing we will be taken care of becasue we prepared. I say some peace because it will be hard to watch others who will stuggle to get a morsel and family that thought they could just show up and eat with you. Maybe they can but they won't be getting all the good stuff and it will be limited and they will have to do some kind of work or exchange for it so ...

Do it now while you still can and may the force be with you :l0 (46):

Charsee
04-03-2008, 11:49 PM
I went to the grand opening of the Honeyville store and stopped by the Magna cannery to check it out since you never hear anything about what is going on there.

They seemed to have a good supply of most items. However, they started limiting the wheat they sold early. If I heard them right, they let you take 3 bags of wheat per family member.

I looked at their silos and they are so huge and they said they are all full but the one they always have to leave empty. It is hard to imagine that they could run out of wheat and the church has many more just like them.

A lady there said that the church used to have enough wheat to feed the membership of the church but now they don't have that much, but they still have a huge amount. The brother there said that there is no wheat shortage and that if people will just be patient they will eventually get enough out to meet the demand and the church will not be raising the price, so there is no reason to panic or feel that you need to get yours now.

Abinadi
04-04-2008, 01:08 PM
Faith in the Lord as you are doing your best.

Abinadi