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Earthling
05-05-2008, 03:39 PM
The medical folks are trained to triage people in an emergency so those who have a chance to survive get care first over those who don't. Here is an interesting article on guidelines being set up for disasters or pandemics as to who gets care. Nice to know information.

Task force lists low-priority patients in crises
The Washington Times

May 5, 2008


CHICAGO (AP) ? Doctors know that some patients needing lifesaving care won't get it in a flu pandemic or other disaster. The gut-wrenching dilemma will be deciding who to let die.

Now, an influential group of physicians has drafted a grimly specific list of recommendations for which patients wouldn't be treated. They include the elderly, seriously hurt trauma victims, severely burned patients and those with severe dementia.

The suggested list was compiled by a task force whose members come from prestigious universities, medical groups, the military and government agencies. They include the Department of Homeland Security, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Department of Health and Human Services.

The proposed guidelines are designed to be a blueprint for hospitals "so that everybody will be thinking in the same way" when pandemic flu or another widespread health care disaster hits, said Dr. Asha Devereaux. She is a critical-care specialist in San Diego and lead writer of the task force report.

The intent is to make sure scarce resources ? including ventilators, medicine and doctors and nurses ? are used in a uniform, objective way, task force members said.

The recommendations appear in a report appearing today in the May edition of Chest, the medical journal of the American College of Chest Physicians.

"If a mass casualty critical care event were to occur tomorrow, many people with clinical conditions that are survivable under usual health care system conditions may have to forgo life-sustaining interventions owing to deficiencies in supply or staffing," the report states.

To prepare, hospitals should designate a triage team with the God-like task of deciding who will and who won't get lifesaving care, the task force wrote. Those out of luck are the people at high risk of death and a slim chance of long-term survival. But the recommendations get much more specific, and include:

? People older than 85.

? Those with severe trauma, which could include critical injuries from car crashes and shootings.

? Severely burned patients older than 60.

? Those with severe mental impairment, which could include advanced Alzheimer's disease.

? Those with a severe chronic disease, such as advanced heart failure, lung disease or poorly controlled diabetes.

Dr. Kevin Yeskey, director of the preparedness and emergency operations office at the Department of Health and Human Services, was on the task force. He said the report will be among many the agency reviews as part of preparedness efforts.

Public health law expert Lawrence Gostin of Georgetown University called the report an important initiative but also "a political minefield and a legal minefield."

The recommendations would probably violate federal laws against age discrimination and disability discrimination, said Mr. Gostin, who was not on the task force.

If followed, such rules could exclude care for the poorest, most-disadvantaged citizens who suffer disproportionately from chronic disease and disability, he said. While health care rationing will be necessary in a mass disaster, "there are some real ethical concerns here."

mirkwood
05-06-2008, 12:48 AM
Nothing new to me, but I am finding a lot of people are surprised and/or unaware of this.

thor610
05-06-2008, 06:12 AM
This is only part of humanism, which seeks to replace any compassion in this world. Look up humanist manifesto on the internet and you'll get some idea of the beliefs of secret combinations.

LoudmouthMormon
05-06-2008, 08:39 AM
If you are a doctor with a thousand doses of medicine, and twelve hundred patients, I don't think I'll be judging you as long as you administer all thousand doses. I'll just fall on my knees and thank God I wasn't you, and didn't have to make those decisions.

LM

mirkwood
05-06-2008, 11:40 AM
This is only part of humanism, which seeks to replace any compassion in this world.


No, it's called triage. It is a crappy decision to have to make, but a reality.

Cowboy
05-06-2008, 11:47 AM
Only those with a good chance get the scares resources.

thor610
05-06-2008, 12:51 PM
No, it's called triage. It is a crappy decision to have to make, but a reality.


In military battle triage, I believe you sort according to the wounds. Here they are sorting according to the person(s).

Earthling
05-06-2008, 02:09 PM
It could be a necessary reality. I don't want them to save my 99 year old father or even me - save the children - we have had a life and they haven't. They are the future.

I have talked to several people in the medical field who are aware of policies being made and also read an article in a No. California newspaper. This article I posted was less restrictive than those. They indicate who will be saved first instead of who won't i.e. medical people, utility workers, and young children. Then it shakes down from there so the older and sicker you are the lower priority you have - which makes sense. As Mirkwood said - what a crappy situation. I still like to know what the guidelines will be so I am prepared mentally.

mirkwood
05-06-2008, 02:15 PM
It is the same concept.